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	<title>Comments on: Up the down escalier</title>
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	<description>&#34;You&#039;ve got to jump off cliffs all the time and build your wings on the way down.&#34; - Ray Bradbury</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Wickham</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Wickham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fawn -- Great post, and I&#039;m glad I read the comments. You did one of those little things that are so tough to do, but so necessary. I&#039;ve been in the same situation many times, and I always feel better when I level with the other person. As for the commenter who felt something deep within you must be amiss, I think she&#039;s presumptuous. As a blogger, I like having people comment. It&#039;s interesting to discover the kinds of posts that invite lots of comments -- as this one certainly did.

Best,  Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fawn &#8212; Great post, and I&#8217;m glad I read the comments. You did one of those little things that are so tough to do, but so necessary. I&#8217;ve been in the same situation many times, and I always feel better when I level with the other person. As for the commenter who felt something deep within you must be amiss, I think she&#8217;s presumptuous. As a blogger, I like having people comment. It&#8217;s interesting to discover the kinds of posts that invite lots of comments &#8212; as this one certainly did.</p>
<p>Best,  Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the &quot;good&quot; part of the &quot;good friends&quot; links in the story and I was at the cafe that day sitting right next to where this conversation took place. I&#039;m the fly on the wall!

First, the story&#039;s a little condensed to get to the pertinent information. It sounded like there was some other chit chat happening before leading up to &quot;I have to ask you something.&quot; None of it sounded angry or confrontational. Asking what happened on the night of the event didn&#039;t come across as angry or &quot;telling him off.&quot; I thought I detected a little nervousness in Fawn&#039;s voice which was probably the &quot;Is this me?&quot; coming out, but I could just as easily have been projecting my own nervousness onto the situation. I sometimes don&#039;t say the things that maybe &quot;should&quot; be said for fear of chumming up the waters.

It came across as the need to express Fawn&#039;s perception of the situation and invited the guy (I don&#039;t know his name and wouldn&#039;t mention it here if I did) to express his perception of the situation. It seemed gutsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the &#8220;good&#8221; part of the &#8220;good friends&#8221; links in the story and I was at the cafe that day sitting right next to where this conversation took place. I&#8217;m the fly on the wall!</p>
<p>First, the story&#8217;s a little condensed to get to the pertinent information. It sounded like there was some other chit chat happening before leading up to &#8220;I have to ask you something.&#8221; None of it sounded angry or confrontational. Asking what happened on the night of the event didn&#8217;t come across as angry or &#8220;telling him off.&#8221; I thought I detected a little nervousness in Fawn&#8217;s voice which was probably the &#8220;Is this me?&#8221; coming out, but I could just as easily have been projecting my own nervousness onto the situation. I sometimes don&#8217;t say the things that maybe &#8220;should&#8221; be said for fear of chumming up the waters.</p>
<p>It came across as the need to express Fawn&#8217;s perception of the situation and invited the guy (I don&#8217;t know his name and wouldn&#8217;t mention it here if I did) to express his perception of the situation. It seemed gutsy.</p>
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		<title>By: vort</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>vort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders if Debbie&#039;s comment made *her* feel better.</description>
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		<title>By: Halsted</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Halsted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, I wish I&#039;d have commented first, then read other comments. I don&#039;t agree with debbie&#039;s assessment at all, and now feel like the conversation about you standing up for yourself has gone on a strange, unnecessary tangent.

Regardless, Fawn, you know what you did and why it was important to you.  I see it too, and I am proud of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, I wish I&#8217;d have commented first, then read other comments. I don&#8217;t agree with debbie&#8217;s assessment at all, and now feel like the conversation about you standing up for yourself has gone on a strange, unnecessary tangent.</p>
<p>Regardless, Fawn, you know what you did and why it was important to you.  I see it too, and I am proud of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fawn</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Fawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was rude. And that made me angry and hurt. And I feel great for saying something about it instead of quietly sucking it up. Being compassionate toward other people for their flaws isn&#039;t the same as continuing to accept their bad behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was rude. And that made me angry and hurt. And I feel great for saying something about it instead of quietly sucking it up. Being compassionate toward other people for their flaws isn&#8217;t the same as continuing to accept their bad behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, the what the hell, and shocking, and tone in yr description didn&#039;t sound the same to me as ouch. but maybe it is words on the screen. it seemed more like &#039;hey you were rude&#039; rather than &#039;I was hurt.&#039;

I&#039;m sorry you were in pain. do you feel like the pain went away after the conversation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, the what the hell, and shocking, and tone in yr description didn&#8217;t sound the same to me as ouch. but maybe it is words on the screen. it seemed more like &#8216;hey you were rude&#8217; rather than &#8216;I was hurt.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you were in pain. do you feel like the pain went away after the conversation?</p>
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		<title>By: Fawn</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Fawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that you interpret it as &quot;telling him off.&quot; I think it&#039;s important to be able to say &quot;ouch&quot; when someone does something that hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that you interpret it as &#8220;telling him off.&#8221; I think it&#8217;s important to be able to say &#8220;ouch&#8221; when someone does something that hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honestly, I think obligated and footprints on your face are certain ways of telling the story.  

It seems sad to me. You aren&#039;t obligated at all of course.

I could see it as he was sad/depressed when you left after an hour and felt insecure about what was going to happen at the art show so he brought a friend. Or there are a hundred ways to imagine that it wasn&#039;t about being rude to you. Have people ever felt you were rude, when really there was something else entirely going on? 

I guess since it was about having pleasant conversations in a coffeehouse and not about dating, that if you had let it go (which could be read as not stepping on you, but just his own behavior about who knows what buried issues), that maybe then it would just go back to pleasant conversations in the coffeehouse and maybe meeting outside of there didn&#039;t really work for either of you. Now I wonder if it can go back to the way it was. Has it? Could it? Would you want it to?

In the same way, your part sounds like so much more - like it isn&#039;t really about this person, but about a whole history of pain, and being stepped on and hurt, that really he had nothing to do with that history, when I read this, I feel sad. Sad that you carry that with you. Sure, we all carry things with us, but when you tell the story, the pride you feel in telling him off, it seems like there is more behind it.

I know it is a story I am spinning too. but in the beginning it had hope as a connection, which these days seems hard to make, and now it feels a little like that connection is broken.

that is all I meant, you are under no obligation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honestly, I think obligated and footprints on your face are certain ways of telling the story.  </p>
<p>It seems sad to me. You aren&#8217;t obligated at all of course.</p>
<p>I could see it as he was sad/depressed when you left after an hour and felt insecure about what was going to happen at the art show so he brought a friend. Or there are a hundred ways to imagine that it wasn&#8217;t about being rude to you. Have people ever felt you were rude, when really there was something else entirely going on? </p>
<p>I guess since it was about having pleasant conversations in a coffeehouse and not about dating, that if you had let it go (which could be read as not stepping on you, but just his own behavior about who knows what buried issues), that maybe then it would just go back to pleasant conversations in the coffeehouse and maybe meeting outside of there didn&#8217;t really work for either of you. Now I wonder if it can go back to the way it was. Has it? Could it? Would you want it to?</p>
<p>In the same way, your part sounds like so much more &#8211; like it isn&#8217;t really about this person, but about a whole history of pain, and being stepped on and hurt, that really he had nothing to do with that history, when I read this, I feel sad. Sad that you carry that with you. Sure, we all carry things with us, but when you tell the story, the pride you feel in telling him off, it seems like there is more behind it.</p>
<p>I know it is a story I am spinning too. but in the beginning it had hope as a connection, which these days seems hard to make, and now it feels a little like that connection is broken.</p>
<p>that is all I meant, you are under no obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fawn</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Fawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
		<link>http://buildingmywings.com/2009/09/21/up-the-down-escalier/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE this!</description>
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